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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.29 12:38:00 - [1] Originally by: Nauticaa Right my 2 isk. No one Person or corp can claim to speak for a Militia simple as. Also Revan has stated publicy she is a slaver so dont see why your aguring that, You really are the prize idiot at the idiot farm on national idiot day during the centenial idiocy celebrations of the proud republic of moron aren't you ? Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow For example, Pilot Nauticaa's point was correct, so she was insulted instead of responded to. Pilot Nauticaa lied and repeated the same lie that is only proffered by Amarrian Nationalists at this point. Now you lie and repeat the same lie. Makes you think doesn't it? Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 11:47:00 - [3] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow The first time you called me a liar... The first time I called you a liar was when you literally melted down into an embarrassing spectacle of slaver-denying nonsense caught in a dozen lies in a public galnet thread. Still you have asked me 3 leading questions. To which I answer "no" "no" and "no". And before you begin the pitiful business of bringing your frail intellect to bump helplessly at the facts lets ask you a "simple" yes/no question in return which should be as easy as those I answered right? Have Annwn Matari now stopped betraying the Matari people? Yes/no? Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 11:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Cheiftan Rolls Eyes I believe what you are looking for is this Miss Star Sparrow... But I am Curious jade dose this not make Sani Sabik "slaver Apologists" or am I missing something, just a civilised question , which I think deserves a semi civil answer. You are missing the point of my Lover's announcement where she announces she will hire mercenaries to engage anti-Sansha forces attempting to impede the Sansha offensive in the Amarr Empire. From my perspective this represents an almost poetic justice that the Empire most complicit in the founding of the Nation and still practising slavery enthusiastically should be left to fend for itself against the society of technological slavers it spawned in its image. Still it is her business at the end of the day. I am responsible for the political decisions I make alongside my comrades and free captains in the Star Fraction. I am not responsible for the independent decisions of other CEOs and leaders outside of the Star Fraction. But I will say speaking personally now, I have seen a great deal of corruption, lies, and deeply disreputable behaviour from Amarrian nationalists using the Sansha offensive as a cover for their own disgustingly regressive ideology and worse yet, people are taken in by the notion it is right to fight alongside slavers against slavers because the Empire is somehow morally superior to the Nation. It is a nonsense and you should be ashamed. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:18:00 - [5] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/06/2010 12:19:00 Originally by: Eran Mintor Because somehow, you ***ing and flying alongside a Blood Raider who fights for* that which you fight against, is not something to be considered "nonsense" that "you should be ashamed" of? Your duality is hilarious! As is your ignorance race-traitor. Revan Neferis has been a constant thorn in the side to the Amarr Empire, to the Amarrian loyalists from PIE to the CVA, and has caused untold billions of isk in damage to the enemies of Freedom over the years. While you are incapable of even naming what I fight for its beyond ridiculous for you to allege contradictions which do not exist. Quote: Have Annwn Matari now stopped betraying the Matari people? Yes/no? Would have required them to start betraying them to begin with. Ah you don't like leading questions when they are aimed at you then? But really. I'd prefer a yes/no answer if you don't want me to accuse you of wriggling and evading the point. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Cheiftan Despite the poetic justice of Amarraians being enslaved do you not feel it is counter productive to overall cause, I have never supported slavery by far I have always opposed it, however do you not feel from these actions we are going from one form of slavery to another? First I should say for the sake of clarity that I have never believed your personal claims on opposition to Slavery. You fought for I-RED and they supported the CVA empire in Providence which was a political entity in the image of Amarrian expansion with the expressed ambition of enslaving those stars for their religion and ideology. Second, I do not believe there is an "overall cause". I see various self-appointed crusaders and egoist prophets and saviours seeking to use the threat of Sansha invasion to boost their own media profile or otherwise justify their own smaller evils against a black and white assessment of "greater good". In the attack of Sansha Nation vessels on the Amarrian Empire I see two -10 enemies fighting and the best outcome is both are destroyed. At the moment it is by no means clear that the Nation is more powerful than the Empire and it would be a nonsense to help the stronger -10 entity suppress the weaker knowing that future political stasis will continue to enslave hundreds of billions across the cluster and spend their lives brutally in lowtech agriculture and mining commerce. Quote: And a second question to you jade is, do you agree that the recent nation invasion is a problem that we all face and should face together? No. I will not defend the Amarrian Empire against an entity that it encouraged and empowered and shares many of the same cultural forms and intrinsic ideals. I consider a weakened Amarrian Empire is the best thing we can hope from recent Nation intervention. Quote: I ask this because while I see the poetic justice in this I am all out against such actions, we face the fight of not only freedom but free will And you are claiming what? That slaves of the Amarrian Empire retain their "free will?" That the glaive and vitoc infection encourage independent thought? That transcraniel microcontrollers are somehow different from Sansha implants? That religious brainwashing is different from cult brainwashing? Quote: ...and killing people who oppose the Sansha is very counter productive, however I do take note of you actions against nation supporting Corporations. Well its where we differ. I consider killing nationalist Amarrians is rarely counter productive. As I said its simply a matter of two -10 entities fighting each other. If the strength of both is reduced then that is a good result. Only thing that could happen to make me change my mind on this would be the Amarrian Empire freeing its slaves. My lover has shown this can be done, she has done it. If the Sansha threat is so real as to truly risk the lives and freedom of all then surely you should be calling on the Amarrian Empire to end the practise of slavery and reform its politics so that free capsuleers can stomach working alongside Amarrian Nationalism against an external threat. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 13:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Eran Mintor Aside from SHY's history with I-RED where they freed a few million slaves as a result of peaceful actions, where U'K has freed...who knows, maybe a few million, and killed the rest out of stubbornness... I don't think lying about the Ushra'khan's results in the war against Amarrian slavery is the best way to open your commentary race-traitor. Who are you trying to persuade here? Quote: Your attempts to paint yourself in a brighter light after the truth comes out that...well, you actually support someone who supports Sansha so it's really...I don't know; counter-intuitive? Revan Neferis has engaged mercenaries to attack capsuleer organizations defending the Amarrian Empire from Sansha incursions. That is her choice to do so. Her aggression was targeted at Amarrian interests so it is no surprise to for me to see an Amarrian sympathizer trying to paint this as a blanket support of the Nation over a specific attack on the Empire. Quote: I'd be really frustrated right now if I was one of your pilots... I hardly see why since the free captains of the Star Fraction are fully entitled to engage Nation vessels anywhere they chose at personal discretion. I have said my own opinion is that I would be extremely unlikely to stand with Amarrian Nationalists to defend Amarrian worlds but every single pilot of the Fraction is free to make their own choices on this issue and Nation starships are KOS anywhere in known space. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/06/2010 14:12:56 Originally by: Eran Mintor Because they're allowed to do whatever they want yet have no support or morale boost from their leadership, who fully supports the opposing side. Seems like...oh, I don't know...seems like you're fighting for the enemy? Wouldn't that involve well ... "fighting for the enemy"? You know, like signing up to the 24th Crusade for six months and shooting our former friends? How very convenient that not doing exactly as you demand and dropping all opposition to the Amarr Empire immediately turns into "fighting for Sansha". I see what you are doing here Eran Mintor. You don't agree with Revan Neferis targeting Amarrian interests and deciding her organizational standings towards the Nation will be expressed by hiring mercenaries to oppose those fighting the Nation in Amarrian space. So you very quickly move to a stance of "if you are not with us you are against us" and consider that the actions of the Star Fraction in not condemning Revan's independent stance represent us "fighting" for the Nation. Well we (Star Fraction) are against you Eran Mintor. Your organization is one we consider to be rife with Matari Race-traitors and turncoats. Annwn Matari is no friend of the Star Fraction and as a -10 entity you will be annihilated at any time or place of our convenience. If you wish to claim this makes us friends of the Nation that simply diplays the transparency of the manipulations you have placed in the public domain. This is not a war of "us v them" "a vs b" "red vs blue" "freedom against tyranny". You are an Amarrian sympathizer in an Amarrian sympathizer corporation that would like to see a threat to Amarr neutralized so you can go back to convincing the Free Matari they would be better off rejecting their own tribal councils and finding god (and slavery) at the leash of the 24th Crusade and Amarrian Nationalist mainstream. Let me be plain Eran Mintor. If I see you and vessels of the Nation in space the ideal outcome is to kill you AND the Nation. If you want to claim that makes me a supporter of Sansha then by all means make the claim. I trust anyone with a modicom of independent rational thought will see through your words as easily as they have seen your turncoat manipulations in times before. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 16:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Eran Mintor ...very similar to what SF's position was towards I-RED when they were supposedly still supporting CVA? It is so strange to see I-RED denounce slavery, and yet SF cannot condemn the actions that support your own "KOS" enemies. Not in the slightest since the I-RED "support" manifested in them directly attacking Star Fraction shipping in Providence. It was the simplest matter to record aggression and respond in kind. And for what its worth I still haven't seen a convincing denunciation of the CVA and Amarrian Nationalist ideology from I-RED. Its all mealy-mouthed half-mumbled nonsense and excuses that wouldn't convince a child. Quote: Actually your stance towards me and Annwn has nothing to do with my view towards you, rather your actions that you supposedly covet beyond all things. I have always viewed you in ill regard since my time in the Minmatar militia and beyond...yet you herald "action" before "words" and I find little but words when looking for your deeds against the Sansha incursion. Just goes to show. I'm really unpopular with race-traitors. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 20:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Eran Mintor Bursting into tears in a cloud of emotional embarrassment... Perhaps you shouldn't post on galnet if it upsets you so much. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.30 23:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow I have been waiting for months for Jade to show one pice of evidence showing me to be lying. The last thread was full of it. Quote: ... Showing MATAR to be traitors. You made it quite apparent by your choice of associates and apologies you delivered for them. Quote: Jade lied. We caught it, and Star Fraction have been calling us traitors ever since. We have been loyal to the Minmatar people since our inception and the only thing we have ever done that could be considered traitorous is...well, lets see, we took in a Minmatar militia corp as well as our own...we have agreed to support I-Red in their move away from slavers, and now Eran Mintor has left the Amarrian militia. Yes, we certainly have worsened the cause of our people. You helped I-RED to not renounce the CVA. You ran propaganda attempts to justify their past role as "enforcers" for the slaver regime in Providence. You've given a home a turncoat from the 24th Crusade who has been urging free minmatar to re-enslave themselves to imperialist dogma and Amarrian religion. Quote: Meanwhile, we fight Sansha, and slander from the Star Fraction who desperately tries to paint us as Amarrian sympathizers all because Jade lied and refuses to admit it. Their arguments have devolved to repeating the same lies, ignoring their own words, insulting and slandering decent pilots and attempting to cause discord among those loyal to the Minmatar people. I have never, EVER, done anything to support the Amarr or Ammatar in either word or deed save for flying once in a coalition force against Sansha, and that only recently. Yet, this is what the argument devolves to? Until you admit your lying ways Sophie Starsparrow there is no real way we can progress its true. While its just a matter of you hurling groundless accusations while I point out you defended I-RED's role as "enforcers" for the Slavers of the CVA then there can be no middle ground and eventually we'll have a chance to continue the argument in space. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 12:27:00 - [12] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/07/2010 12:28:43 Originally by: Eran Mintor I-RED did not need MATAR's help, nor would it need anyone's help to "not" do something (was this paradox intended?); MATAR went into the war against Star Fraction because of Star Fraction's own oppressive demands of "cede or die" towards a peaceful people. Peaceful, of course being relative when dealing with capsuleers... Yes you declared war against us to support I-RED who earned their -10 by shooting at SF ships from neutral at the orders of the CVA in Providence while operating as "enforcers" for Aralis' regime. It's all very obvious and evident. Quote: Annwn Matari did not run any "propaganda attempts" in regards to the war in question, as that would imply we are only presenting impartial facts or outright lying, as you declare Sophie of doing over and over again--Perhaps you should try to understand what she is saying before you discard all her words as lies simply because of her disagreements with you. The linked thread is full of what I generously term "propaganda attempts" and The Cosmopolite would more rightfully describe as "sinister piffle". Sophie Starsparrow is a capering stilted loon. Quote: It will be interesting to see how you attack a Minmatar (read: not Ammatar) alliance and still claim your support of Minmatar, freedom, and yada yada...Good thing for you that my acts against the TLF will give you some leniency in that regards. I think its quite clear you are swiftly evolving into a full Ammatar alliance. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Eran Mintor Where is the evidence that MATAR did it to support I-RED instead of what I said, and why would they need our help? ... When I-RED withdrew from Providence, and also the 'Provi-bloc', that should have been enough Says who? I-RED fired upon Star Fraction vessels at the bequest of CVA in the role of "enforcers" for a slaver regime. What universe do you live in that an aggressor may simply retreat and consider all hostility is over without coming to a formal renunciation and ceasefire acceptable to the people they attacked? Quote: ... but you wanted to beat your chest in public so you have reaped violence instead. Why do you think I-RED, or any Caldari entity for that matter, is against outright defying ancient Amarr traditions? I'll toss you a bone; it has nothing to do with slavery, God, or murder. Or another way; They simply have nothing to gain from saying what you demand be said. Yes I'm very sure they had nothing to gain from renouncing CVA publicly because they hope that at some point in the future if CVA are able to reclaim space they will take up their position as "enforcers" again and come back to Providence. Yet that doesn't convince me we should change I-RED's standings to Star Fraction as aggressors and foes who have done nothing to broker or persuade us to a ceasefire. Annwn Matari's position in this? You earned your -10 Enemy status by wardeccing the Star Fraction in support of our enemies in I-RED. Nobody is arguing about this and frankly I don't see why you are even attempting to "defend" your public situation now. Originally by: Neu Bastian Now, The war between SF and MATAR, both allies of the VlkG, is a most unfortunate business. Tehre are many path to freedom, and none is made easier by inner struggle. I beg you both to stop aggression on each other, with guns or Galnet communications, and turn to something more productive instead, like the freedom of the enslaved. In truth Neu Bastian this has not been much of a "war" - I believe a single MATAR starship was destroyed in a duel. But it is a war of words certainly, because the Fraction considers the MATAR wardec in support of the CVA-friendly I-RED to be a declaration of their alignment against Matari Freedom and the interests of Freespace on the frontier. In order for potential hostility to cease there will need to be meaningful diplomacy and apology from MATAR and a full renunciation of their affiliation to I-RED (as long as that organization also fails to distance itself from its "enforcer" role in Providence pre CVA fall. It would also require the likes of the race traitor Eran Mintor and stilted loon Sophie Starsparrow to end their endless galnet posturing but lets face it - that seems quite unlikely. I have seen many such conflicts over the years Neu Bastian and experience tells me that MATAR have painted themselves into a corner diplomatically and will not take the steps required to improve their position. This issue will end in a few months when they fall apart or their membership go elsewhere for the leadership denied them by the current crop of Ammatar dominating their galnet channels. Until that point be assured that the Fraction values our relations with VlkG and we consider your standings and relations to other entities your own business. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:28:00 - [14] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/07/2010 14:30:01 Originally by: Eran Mintor Suddenly, because we are against Fraction, we are also against Minmatar ... There is little point addressing the rest of your post. If you are incapable of responding to what I write as opposed to what you want to see on the page communication is meaningless so lets get back to hurling imprecations at one another. Clearly you have no interest in any kind of honest dialogue so best we let the weapons do the talking. You've learned the art of deceit very well from your Amarrian masters but it really doesn't work against free pilots with the wit to see the truth of matters in space. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Eran Mintor The above quote is what you wrote, and what I was responding to, among the rest of what you said. If the war-dec against Star Fraction was seen as an action against 'Matari Freedom', what is wrong with me stating that's an irrational conclusion? You weren't even operating on the frontier but in Malkalen, Caldari hi-security space...the headquarters of Ishukone and well populated. It wasn't a matter of slavery that brought you there, but personal grudges, and a desire to foster your superiority complex...it's "quite obvious and evident". Well lets consider something shall we. The I-RED deployment in Providence involved them accepting the CVA slave-holder contract that Aralis demanded of his minions. They accepted the CVA red list and fired upon many Matari corporations and interests including the TLF and corporations in the TLF. They took part in CVA offensives into the FW disputed zones and played a role in the battles of space and freedom where Star Fraction stood alongside the Free Minmatar to oppose the 24th Crusade and their CVA and pirate allies. So I-RED is an enemy of the TLF and Matari freedom movement. This is quite clear. Star Fraction in comparison stood with the Free Matari corporations of the TLF during our year long "operation castrato" campaign during which sacrificed and bled alongside our Matari allies in many engagements and pitched battles and when we moved our focus to Providence to help in the ousting of the corrupt and decadent CVA we continued to maintain good standings and relationships with our Matari allies. And what was the first thing we did in the new Providence? We established a Freespace Outpost in YWS0-Z system and invited any TLF pilot or corporation who wished to use the infrastructure to use it freely as gift and surety of our good esteem and friendship. I-RED in Providence (shoots TLF and Free Matari corporations on sight at CVA orders) SF in Providence (builds an outpost for TLF and Free Matari corporations to freely use) Its not a complicated comparison is it? So where in that equation does MATAR deciding to fight for I-RED against SF in a war we declared to protest I-RED's role in hijacking the memorial of Otro Garushi align you with the interests of TLF and the Free Matari movement? I don't see it. As for alleging personal grudges and superiority complexes you are grasping at straws. We stand on our record clear and plain. We fought I-RED in providence because they fired on us in their chosen role as "enforcers" for an empire of slavers. You declared war to support I-RED to protest our wardec against people who are our enemies. In doing so you made your allegience plain. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Andreus LeHane How would you interpret that we are negotiating for blue standings with I-RED, co-operate with them during Sansha incursions and peacefully share the Intaki system with them? We literally don't care. We'll care if you wardec the Fraction in support of I-RED. But then anybody with a braincell can probably see the difference already. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 16:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Oh, I know the difference. I was just clarifying exactly how far you'll go to force everyone to conform to your viewpoints. Do you really need to post on galnet to have it confirmed that if you wardec the Star Fraction we'll set you -10? Honestly, people keep telling me that Nationalism doesn't make capsule pilots automatically stupid but this kind of behaviour hardly disproves the impression. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 16:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Andreus LeHane This was never just about wardecs, Jade. You disrupted a memorial to six hundred thousand people to enforce a viewpoint. We disrupted a memorial that was being dishonoured by the organizers because that was our viewpoint. Quote: Even members of your own alliance strongly balked at it - and yes, I did actually talk to some of them. SF pilots have the freedom to disagree with anything if they choose. Nobody can expect people to agree with everything. Quote: You broke the terms of your own ultimatum by blowing up a ship that had come outside as you had demanded. Untrue. You lie just like Starsparrow and the Ammatar. Quote: You asked them to recant support for a cause they never practiced, Untrue. They enthusiastically acted as "enforcers" for the slavers in Providence. Quote: even if their allies did, and yet constantly complain that people paint you as a Blood Raider or a Sansha supporter just because you happen to be allied with something which does. Complain? I mock perhaps. But hardly complain, after all, what is it these liars and frauds might actually achieve in space? - Nothing. Quote: Then you ask straightfacedly why people are inclined to wardec you. The bigger question is why you are disinclined to wardec if that is how you feel LeHane. Chatsubo RP Discussion
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 17:29:00 - [19] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/07/2010 17:29:24 Originally by: Andreus LeHane What, and feed your ego? I don't need to declare war to reinforce my surety that what you do is hypocritical and wrong. Yes much better to froth mindlessly without consequence on Galnet isn't it LeHane? Why not join the ranks of the toothless and pathetic who hurl poinless vitreol without substance against the ones they envy but can never displace. I quite understand your dilemma and it is shared by many of your ilk. Quote: I don't need to prove something by adding another war to my already full schedule. Besides, I'm part of a five-man corporation, and you have a 400-man alliance at your back. Have you ever considered why you only have a 5 man corporation and I have this mighty alliance LeHane? Never wondered that it might have something to do with your mastery of the art of galnet PR interactions? I mean it can't just be pure coincidence now can it? Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 17:54:00 - [20] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/07/2010 17:53:57 Originally by: Andreus LeHane What exactly do you have that I desire, or... occupy that I have any wish to displace you from? Laughing stock of the IGS? The not-quite-there of the Alliance Tournament? Laughing stock of the IGS from LeHane, irony thy name is Andreus. And "not-quite-there" in the tournament? Good heavens. In the history of the tournament I think we've had 3-4 winners? Not being amongst them is hardly the kiss of death for an alliance Andreus. After all, you need to actually try first right? Quote: This barb would surely hurt me more if I wasn't talking to the executor of the alliance who recently lost a corporation, several of its members citing to me as a reason for doing so that you - not Star Fraction, you specifically) - and I quote "talk too f*king much". Star Fraction generally hemorrhages dozens of members a year to other, better, not to mention quieter* alliances like The Final Stand, Rote Kapelle and so on. I mean, it can't just be pure coincidence now can it? Some people like quiet alliances I guess. But the reason given for DX4's departure by its CEO was because they wanted to try NBSI ideology and a full range of engagement options from cap-flipping to mission bouncing to general lowsec piracy. Entirely their choice of course and I wish them well in their adventures but it doesn't sound to me like you are terribly better briefed on their reasons than anything else in this universe Andreus. Your ignorance is a little bit embarrassing for all concerned Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Hey, I'm just repeating what I was told by some DX4 members. But I guess even first-hand evidence isn't reliable if it disagrees with what Jade says, right? Not if it comes from a famous numpty like you Andreus, no it isn't. But I'm not saying you didn't hear some complaining from DX4 members. No organization is a lockstep unity. But I am telling you what we were told by the DX4 CEO. And frankly what an ex comrade tells us on our alliance forums is always going to be held in higher esteem that what a galnet frother coughs out in the middle of pointless flamewar in defense of Ammatar reject apologists. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:54:00 - [22] Originally by: DJ Obsidian Ok seriously you all need to shut up and take a break. Take a vacation, I know some good places in Solitude. I have a few nights at a couple of resorts there, there are no politics there, no wars, just peace and quiet. If that's too far for you, maybe some places in the Citadel Region? There is this luxary cruise that is to die for, so scenic. But yeah, all of you need to take a vacation. And you are? I don't think we've been introduced. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow snipped the usual load of lies I suggest you review the Cosmopolite's thorough deconstruction of your position before continuing. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 08:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Neu Bastian Jade, CVA has been beaten and I-RED no longer supports them. Your fixation with them is counter productive. Hell, they have even offered me support. Whether CVA have been permanently beaten or not, the fact remains that I-RED willingly served them in Providence and committed acts of aggression against Free Capsuleers to "enforce" the CVA's will. I trust you are not presuming to tell those facing that aggression they must forgive and forget without receiving appropriate diplomatic recompense and restitution from the aggressors? The Fraction have been very open to the concept of diplomatic settlement with I-RED and we asked nothing beyond a clear statement of denunciation and disavowal from I-RED's leadership towards the foul and corrupt CVA alliance as a price for ceasefire and neutrality. At this point the intervention of 3rd parties telling us "there is nothing to be settled" is unhelpful and counterproductive since it further convinces I-RED they gain more by dividing the Free Matari and their allies than they do by making a genuine statement disavowing and distancing themselves forever from the CVA and Amarrian Imperialism. This is a mistake. Quote: There are bigger fish to fry, and I would respectfully request you begin working on one. The choice is, of course, yours. Do not imagine that the Fraction is primarily focused on the matter of I-RED and their patsies at this time Neu Bastian. We are quite aware of where fish need to be fried and plans are laid. But practicality is never a reason to ditch ideals and principle and though we will doubtless soon be firing on the same foes again and supporting our allies in the Bleaklands and adjacent warzone we ask you to respect our diplomatic independence as we do yours. Leave I-RED and MATAR to conduct their own diplomacy (such as it is) they reap the results of their success or failure in these matters and must learn their own lessons in time to come. In fraternal respect. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 12:22:00 - [25] I-RED aggressed the Free Captains of the Star Fraction from neutral and involved themselves in hostility against our vessels at the orders of the CVA. The consequence of this action was that I-RED was set -10 KOS to the Star Fraction and we reserved the right to wardec them at any time or place of our convenience to take vengeance for their actions in the future. This is the current status quo. We are content with it. But some of I-RED's partners and allies apparently are not. If I-RED wish to have their standings reverted to neutral and come off our prospective target list they need to make an appropriate gesture of contrition and in this case we have deemed it reasonable to ask them to condemn the CVA organization as an entity and denounce their history as "enforcers" for the slaver empire in Providence. This is the price of ceasefire and neutrality for an entity that eagerly fired upon us for their CVA paymasters in times before. That liars and manipulative word-twisters like Rodj Blake, Eran Mintor and others come rushing to the defense of I-RED in every thread on the subject simply convinces us we are right to expect a clear an unambiguous condemnation from the I-RED leadership as a pre-requisite to any future neutral relations. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:50:00 - [26] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/07/2010 18:51:50 Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Jade posted John saying "We are not Slavers" in local, and then said he did not and called me a liar. I have repeatedly called you a liar for your habit of misrepresenting the words of others and your dishonest behaviour on this Summit. And you continue to this moment. I said (as the Cosmopolite has repeated many times on this thread) that John Revenent did not appropriately renounce I-RED ties with the CVA organization. This is the assessement my comrades and I are free to make and for you to name us liars for saying this makes you dishonest. Quote: If what John said is not enough for you, fine your choice, but since then Star Fraction has chosen to portray me and my entire organization as Ammatar, blood traitors, and Ammarian supporters all to support this original lie The reason we reach these conclusions is your insistence of maintaining a falsehood and continuing to lie and smear the good name of the Star Fraction when it is transparent and obvious you are behaving like an Amarrian-paid manipulator opposed to future good cooperation between the Free Captains and the Free Matari. You are behaving precisely like a person taking Amarrian isk to cause ructions and disgrace between comrades and friends. As Cosmopolite has said this either mades you a foolish dupe or a maligant agent and the jury is still out. Quote: If you truly want to settle this, I would suggest an actual conversation. If you are fine with the way things are, thats your choice too, but I will not stand by and allow you to slander us in every thread I choose to speak in regardless of the topic at hand. There is no point to a conversation while you continue to tell lies about us in public with every breath. Your organization is -10 to the Star Fraction and you will be shot on sight at our preference until such point as you make restitution for declaring hostility against us in support of the craven slaver-worshipping dogs of I-RED. So crawl back to your master's foul turncoat and tell your tale to amuse the Amarrian Nationalists who are enjoying the sight of Matari capering for Imperial coin. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Literia Pilot Constantine First you accuse people that I fly with of being traitors to the Matari people, now you accuse the entirety of Annwn of being traitors. I strongly suggest that you provide evidence of this state. I have stayed silent for far too long, garner your evidence and bring me PROOF. If you do not, this matter is closed. Yet again, you would have proven yourself to be the fool that does not know when to be quiet. You do not speak for the Matari people, so do not presume that you do. Literia Khammael You are in no position to demand anything from anybody cadet Literia. Any negative associations stemming from your involvement with Annwn Matari are your own responsibility at this point. Your organization wardecced the Star Fraction in support of the slaver-appeasing "enforcers" of I-RED and your leadership have continued to speak lies and dishonest manipulations on Galnet since that unfortunate decision. At this point you speak here as an enemy of mine in a -10 flagged KOS entity that earned its status through direct military support of a CVA ally. I have absolutely no reason to trust you to speak the truth and owe you nothing beyond the weight of battleship grade autocannon shell casings I will leave in space the next time you cross my gunsights. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Literia Really, that shows me that you lack any evidence or truth to your accusations that you have to result in threats. Where is the "threat"? You are in an -10 KOS organization that earned its status by wardeccing the Fraction in support of a CVA-pet "enforcer" alliance. What do you expect to get from me in open space, hugs and kisses? It never ceases to amaze me just how dense you people are. Is it some kind of an aura of stupid that Starsparrow extrudes around her starship through the cosmic polarity of her deflector shields or something? Seriously. Your leader declares war on an enemy corporation and then spends months lying about the target on galnet and you expect some kind of a touchie-feelie emote group gathering to talk over how you feel about these issues? Just grow a backbone and fight rather than trying to talk us to death like a gutless ammatar recreant cringing and scraping with lips on some holder's boots. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 23:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Cheiftan I-RED's stance on slavery We know full well about that link, the Cosmopolite (and others) questioned Revenent on that thread and received no satisfactory clarification. As ever it appeared muddled, confused, mealy-mouthed and fell a way short of the clear denouncing of CVA, Slavery in Providence, and I-RED's role as "enforcers" during the CVA domination of that regime. If you want this matter cleared up I suggest you prevail on John Revenent to make the clear statements he is being called to make and then have your alliance mates apologize for their various lies and slander on Galnet. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow all I did was simply agree with a U'K pilot who was speaking the truth. You repeated a lie that Nauticaa (who is not currently a U'K pilot) put on the public record. Another in your history of lies. But at this point it is simply pointless to discuss anything with you so we will continue to condemn each other in every thread where you post this nonsense without end until one or the other grows bored or until a war breaks out where imprecations give way to exchange of weapons fire and the breaking of corporations and alliances. But understand I have been dealing with liars like you since the beginning of the capsuleer disapora and if you look back to the very beginning of this summit you will see how I have treated them. Do not imagine for a moment that your endurance matches mine. I have no sympathy for race-traitors and turncoats Sophie Starsparrow and in time I trust you will discover this first hand when the conflict we both seek turns brutal and actual by the hard radiation of suns and distant tapestry of stars. If you do by some miracle still count yourself Matari in some way then have the stoicism of your kin and prepare to fight with weapons rather than emulating the worst traits of Amarrian nationalists in their carping dishonesty day in day out. The least you could do is prepare to die well. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Aria Dirser Mr. Eran Mintor, You arent going to achieve anything with the two wenches. They live in their own small world, were they deem themselves important and worthy of adulation. They havenÆt yet realized the storm on their backs, the one that comes when their utility ceases (and that is happening now); they need to prove at every corner two things: a)We are not slavers b)We defend the cause of the Minmatar freedom fighters The problem grows as they try desperately to grab at their allies hands begging ôplease, please Mister UÆK and Mister AAA donÆt hurt me! I promise I wonÆt try my revolutionary bullà with you, I promise that I will even set a corner for me and call it freespace but will obey to your every command!ö This is the moment when they grovel and kiss the feet of their superiors. Then they run to the IGSàa deep feeling of inferiority weighting heavily on their subconscious and start screaming ôMight makes right!ö or "Traitorous scum!" and "Lying Mongrel!",while at the same time training the sport of throwing all variants of insults regarding pigs and trolls. The purpose however is to find any semblance of danger coming from any entity possible to be regarded as slaveràwhy? Well, If they donÆt practice it, and find someone to bash for being a slaver, daddy UÆK will beat the crap out of them and purge like the annoyance they are from Providence( and always will be in any corner of space not so much because of their pilots, but more because of their incessant whining and bullsà). As I said in the beginning Mr.Eran Mintor, Thank you, but no use in continuing. DonÆt worry thought, the Minmatar traitours inside the TLF and the would be Matar friends are getting their due soon enough. That is an awful lot of rage for a new poster. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 10:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur Lastly, I'm glad to not have The Star Fraction blue because they're clearly not an ally you can depend to always be by your side. They'll simply close their eyes in battle, as they do in politics You are capsuleer voice in the pay of the 24th Crusade corporation Knights of the Merciful Crown and you have posted exactly 13 times on these forums and all against Star Fraction beginning with the original I-RED memorial execution thread and one might easily conclude you are simply a fictitious identity created by some of the principles in that discussion to add additional voices to the weak arguments they proffered at that point. In any case you can hardly be seen as any credible voice given your affiliations to an organization devoted to enslaving and dominating the Matari people. You know nothing of the Star Fraction and are incapable of honest discussion on Galnet. How very convenient that the vast majority of viewpoints expressed in support of Starsparrow and Annwn Matari here are from Nationalist Amarrians and race-traitors. Very much like last time. You do really make our arguments for us. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 10:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/07/2010 10:39:11 Originally by: Bigfood On a side note: As its basically proven that Star Fraction is in fact supporting the Sansha and their allies FIA announces a standing reset and a derrived standing of -10 to this entity from the time of this posting. This is incorrect and you have been lied too by race-traitors and Amarrian Nationalist agents. The Star Fraction is not supporting Sansha and if you care to examine the link you have been shown more carefully you will see that Revan Neferis is expressly targetting those entities that are attempting to protect Amarrian Empire colonies from Sansha attack. But as my comrade the Cosmopolite has already pointed out it should not be your business to tell the Fraction how to set our standings to allied alliances. We have a +10 standing to the Final Stand alliance who took arms against the CVA in Providence and have many times aided the TLF against 24th Crusade interests in the Bleak Lands. If you are saying that you now consider Stand to be -10 and an enemy of the Matari people because one of their CEO's has placed wardeccs against those preventing attacks against Amarr Empire colonies then I say you are confused and muddled and interfering in matters that have little to do with you. You have been sold the collective hogwash of those who believe that opposing the Sansha invasion is more important than opposing the interests of the Amarrian Imperium and while a convenient fiction for Amarrian Nationalists and a weapon to divide Free Matari from their allies, it should be noted that the 24th Crusade itself has refused any sort of the ceasefire and continues to aggressively seek the capture and assimiliation of Matari colonies in Metropolis while you bleat against the limited Sansha threat. I am prepared to discuss these matters with you since previous interactions between our organizations have been productive and in the interests of Freespace and the Matari People but counsel you strongly against uncritical advise received from those involved with I-RED, Annwn Matari, Knights of the Merciful Crown or other 24th Crusade aligned entities who have driven your diplomacy to strange and desperate straights by the lies and manipulations whispered to your all-too-trusting ears. The Amarrian Nationalists are not your friends and should not be trusted. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 10:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur Likewise, you know nothing of the Knighthood nor our goals--which surely are not the enslavement nor domination of the Minmatar Of course, you wish only the "best" for the Matari on your slave farms and mining bases. You wish to educate them in the finer points of your religion with whip and glaive and vitoc and institutional torture. How could we forget. Quote: While I am usually silent and have only spoken aloud on the IGS against The Star Fraction in the past, it does not change the fact that I can read and form my own opinions. You have have only EVER spoken against Star Fraction on galnet. It is your life, your whole existence and your nature. One could easily conclude it was why you were created. You (or rather your controlling identity) is now angry I have pointed this out. Perhaps the organ-grinder could appear and speak rather than the monkey for a change? Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 16:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow We probably should have done this a long time ago. We are resetting standings with Star Fraction from Neutral to -10. Probably sometime around the point you declared a concord-sanctioned wardec against the Fraction in support of the slaver-appeasing I-RED organization yes. But congratulations on selling FIA your brand of lies and dragging others down the road to appeasement and dishonest manipulation. If you are going to be a liar then best be an effective one right? You do credit to the Nationalist Amarrian cause. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 19:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Eran Mintor Thank you for showing that, once logical explanations and arguments are of no benefit to you, your only relief is to resort back to personal insults that ignore and evade everything that's been said against you. Why do you think people would be interested in playing junior debate society games with a race-traitor and turncoat? Never ceases to amaze me how disinclined you people are to actually get into starships and resolve your grievances with action in space. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 19:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Eran Mintor I'm in YWSO-Z, waiting. Are you nearby, or should I go do something more productive? Come in a ship other than a rifter and we'll see. Don't waste my time with frigates. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.04 15:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/07/2010 15:48:09 To the latest Annwn Matari pilot (Plentyn Annwn) attempting to continue their deceit and falsehood on the IGS I will happily respond. As you know full well Annwn Matari as an alliance have been -10 KOS to Star Fraction from the moment you declared a formal wardec against the Fraction several months ago. If you had not set us red until this point then it shows nothing other than ineptitude on the part of your leadership since I cannot understand how any organization can expect to wardec another and maintain good standings with it. As for Sophie StarsparrowÆs opinion of the Star Fraction I can only judge by my own experience of being called to a diplomatic conference, setting out clearly what the Fraction terms were, being rejected and receiving a wardec, only to have lies told about the negotiations, outcomes, implications and all manner of associated nonsense on IGS. Annwn Matari have behaved with bad faith, bad behaviour, with members from the leadership to rank and file having poor standards of galnet presentation and a lamentably dishonest discussion style. It is impossible to misrepresent why you wardecced the Star Fraction in the first place given weÆve reproduced Sophie StarsparrowÆs own words on the issue. We were asked to drop our wardec against I-RED. I explained our terms clearly: [ 2010.05.05 03:56:30 ] Jade Constantine > If John Revenent presents himself in space tomorrow at the Malkalen Memorial and meets with me ship to ship in full view of those gathered at the proceedings, and thereby declares in local that Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive is severing bonds with the CVA and the regressive imperialism of the Amarrian Empire and asks for peace from the Star Fraction I will give it and withdraw the wardec then and there and from that point on we can begin matters anew and start as equals with a clean slate. That is not a complicated statement. Nor was the I-RED(Annwn Matari) response. I am truly sorry 2010.05.05 07:15 From: Sophie Starsparrow To: Jade Constantine I have no intention of fighting you, but I cannot deny the rights of one of our member corps to defend their friends. I-Red has always been anti-slavery, even when supporting the slavers. They reset CVA of their own accord and made that public weeks ago. As we want to provide other avenue's for them, we do not want those with prejudice pushing them back to closer ties with those that support slavery. They feel it is unbecoming to defile the memorial service with reiterations of documented fact on a seperate topic completely for your mollification, and therefor reject the terms you offered them to end this peacefully. Pretty straightforward right? 1. Annwn Matari asked us to drop our wardec against I-RED 2. Star Fraction said weÆd do it if we received a clear statement from I-RED as terms for ceasefire 3. Annwn Matari checked with I-RED who rejected the terms we offered and Sophie informed me of this 4. Annwn Matari went to war with the Star Fraction so that (in SophieÆs own words) ôI cannot deny the rights of one of our member corps to defend their friendsö 5. We executed John Revenent at the memorial and the rest is history Only every time weÆve stated that Annwn Matari wardecced the Star Fraction in support of I-RED weÆve been called ôliarsö by Sophie or one of the other Annwn Matari Mouthpieces here. Directly contradicting what we were told by Annwn Matari in direct response to the diplomatic outcome of the night before the memorial and reproduced in her evemail above. IÆm not sure how much clearer this can be at this point. We were asked to drop a wardec as a favour for Annwn Matari. We told you how it could be achieved. You checked with I-RED and were told our terms to end the dispute peacefully were rejected and Annwn were wardeccing us so that some of your corporations could fight for I-RED against us. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.04 15:47:00 - [39] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/07/2010 15:50:48 The matter should have ended there. John Revenent died and diplomacy had been attempted unsuccessfully. But instead for the last several months weÆve had the embarrassing scandal of Sophie Starsparrow lying about what happened in practically every thread involving Star Fraction on galnet and a cast of ammatar rejects, amarrian loyalists, and various turncoats cheering her on at every stage. Annwn Matari is an organization that contains people capable of making such statements as ôI-Red has always been anti-slavery, even when supporting the slavers.ö It has remnants of I-RED personnel at various levels. It has recruited turncoats and race traitors and conducted lengthy public tirades against allies and friends of the TLF and Matari Freedom movement. So here in this post I present the formal text we were given by Annwn Matari to explain their wardec against us and the context of that decision to directly counter the charge that we have misrepresented this made by ôPlentyn Annwnö and will be receive an apology and retraction of the slurs from this alliance? I doubt it. While calling us ôrude, illogical, dishonest, and insultingö you will continue to evade the point made that the Star Fraction peace terms with I-RED were officially rejected before the memorial and Annwn Matari wardecced us to allow one of your corporations to fight with I-RED against us. Thus proving absolutely everything we have said about you to be 100% correct and demonstrating your own lies and dishonesty for all to see. You finish your tirade by comparing Star Fraction with Heretics and in doing so unwrite the evidence of our long cooperation with and friendly relations with the TLF and Free Matari corporations in yet another example of your disgraceful misrepresentation of the facts. We have never claimed to be allied with the republic. We are allied with friendly corporations within the TLF. Our friends and allies know our worth just as hateful ammatar turncoats know but deeply resent it with every breath. The time will come when we move to obliterate your alliance Annwn Matari and be assured you are painting the path to your own destruction with every knew lie and manipulative slander you vomit onto galnet for the amusement of Amarrian Nationalists, turncoats and Ammatar agents of your close company. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.04 19:14:00 - [40] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/07/2010 19:14:33 Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow As I told Ms Constantine in a private mail, I have no wish to fight Star Fraction, but I will not stand by as those that denounce slavery are punished for simply not repeating themselves yet again. That is not what you said in the diplomatic mail. You told me that I-RED rejected our terms. So be it. Because they rejected our terms hostility remained and you added to it by wardeccing SF in support of I-RED. This is the reason we are where we are today. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 21:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Archbishop Perhaps you could tell us all what the final vote was for declaring war on PIE for one hour during our memorial service in Amarr. Was it "no" or "yes" and if it was "no" why was war declared anyway given the freecaptains are all equal and it's one man one vote? 100% unanimous yes for the wardec. You aren't very popular. Some comments from the first page of the vote proposal: "WTB More I-RED style one day wardecs please." "Seconded." "Agreed." "I'll be there" "Let's go kill some empire lackeys." "Chances of PIE undocking? Nil. But sure why not it will be a negative thing if this goes ahead without us being seen to at least try and mess with them." "Then we get to tell everyone that they were afraid to undock to their ships to properly honor and pay tribute their hacking milf *** they call a queen...." "Yes. Any opportunity to punish slavers has my approval, not to mention my applause." "Oh hell yes." "Sounds like fun." * Incidently the proposal for the war to humiliate PIE again and prevent you from undocking during your memorial came from a DX4 pilot and we all voted yes. Your conspiracy theories are rather sad. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 21:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Funny, Star Fraction pilots seem to suffer the same affliction with me that Revan accuses others of having towards her. If you want to be ignored you simply need to stop slandering the Star Fraction and go and hide somewhere. Its unlikely you will ever recover the diplomatic damage you have done but there is no need to keep humiliating yourself in this way. Still I would like you to respond to the detailed post I have addressed to your alternative speaker on the previous page where I have comprehensively proved that you certainly lied on the public record in your claims that Revenent met our terms for ceasefire when you eve-mailed me advance warning of his intention to reject our terms completely the morning before. At the very least you have behaved deceitfully and have echoed the manipulations of others, but I believe you are complicit yourself in this dishonesty and incapable of negotiating honourably as the post/chatlog/mail on the previous page fully demonstrates. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 22:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Incidently the proposal for the war to humiliate PIE again and prevent you from undocking during your memorial You mean the memorial that was taking place inside the station, and was advertised in advance as taking place inside the station? Yes the one that involved members of the Amarrian Nationalist community walking out in disgust at your inability to undock to confront a threat in Amarr Prime. That one. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 22:16:00 - [44] Originally by: Rodj Blake In which case I'm not sure which part of inside the station you failed to understand. Yes you hid in a station. While Khanid Provincial Vanguard wanted to fight and would have fought if you hadn't been such a coward. I think we all understood that part quite well. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 22:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Rodj Blake Now, perhaps rather than making the same flawed arguments in two different threads, you could pick just one discussion and make them there? I would suggest that the best place for your slanders regarding the Mekhios rally would be the thread about the Mekhios rally. You brought it here. Don't complain to me when your cowardice explodes in your face. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 22:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Archbishop Feel free to whine about how our memorial service was held exactly as planned. I assume you saw "PIE EVENT - NEWS COVERAGE - WE HAVE TO GET IN THE NEWS" and your ego inflated from it's normal 10x average to 100x average. While we Amarrians respect the dead and honor them the Star Fraction simply looks for another press release. I guess you expected Malkalen II or something (where you have been totally condemned by just about everyone)? Sorry we weren't able to accomodate the attention *****s of the Star Fraction or the ego of the executor but a memorial service is a solemn event. We were there to honor those who served and those who perished not feed your ever hungry desire for publicity. I can only assume by your attempt to divert readers from the fact the Star Fraction is falling apart with it's most active members leaving that there is truth in what I say. Tell me Jade how many times is this now that your ego and obsessive dictatorial style have forced people to quit rather then put up with you? This must be version 5.0 or 6.0 now of "Star Fraction-Fractured". Once again we see the failure of the anarchist model due to the fact ONE person considers herself and her wishes above everyone else. Such a pity. Archbishop You sound pretty damned angry! Guess I keep hitting that nerve. "Amarr Victor" kinda turned to ash in your mouth that time didn't it. Join the Revolution!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.05 23:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Archbishop Actually the capital letters were to emphasize what I believe you were thinking. The capital letters and swearing seemed to indicate you'd lost your temper again. Obviously a lot of frustrating at needing to shout "amarr victor" only from the inside of stations. Must be quite embarrassing to see the Khanid loyalists more capable than the Amarrian version. Join the Revolution!

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